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Allez , un peu d'histoire sur le MA1, parce-que c'est pratique et que ça fait toujours rire

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MA-1 Nylon SPEC Jacket by ALPHA
0071

ALPHA INDUSRTIES Genuine Army, Navy and Air force, Govt. spec nylon flight jacket, satin reversible to bright orange, inside map pocket and pen slots on left sleeve zipper pocket, insulated with 100% polyester fill. History of the MA-1 Flight Jacket

The MA-1 jacket was first developed in the mid 1950's. The MA-1 and its predecessor, the B-15 Flight Jacket, were needed at that time because the emergence of the jet age created new requirements for pilot performance, safety and comfort.
Prior to the invention of jet aircraft, fleece-lined leather jackets were issued to flight personnel. However, the new jets could fly at much higher altitudes and in much colder temperatures than propeller aircraft. If the heavy, bulky leather jackets became wet from rain (when the pilot walked to his aircraft) or from perspiration, the water would freeze at high altitudes, making the jackets cold and uncomfortable.
Also, the new jets were more streamlined in design. Cockpits were cramped and filled with new equipment. Speedy, unimpeded access to and exit from cockpits became even more critical for safety. Rather than bulky leather, a sleek, lightweight yet warm jacket was needed for the new jet technology.
To meet these needs, a new type of flight jacket was developed. The material selected for the jacket was high quality nylon. Nylon had been discovered prior to World War II but it was not used in flight clothing until after the war, possibly because the demand for nylon for items such as parachutes consumed the available supply during the war.
The initial nylon flight jacket was designed in about 1946. It was called the B-15 flight jacket (MIL-J-6251). The B-15 was similar to the MA-1 except that it had a mouton fur collar. After a few years, it was discovered that the B-15 fur collar frequently interfered with placement of the pilot's parachute or other equipment and the Air Force decided to discontinue the B-15 and replace it with the new MA-1 flight jacket.
The first MA-1 jackets were issued around 1949 or 1950 to United States Air Force and Navy pilots and Flight crews. Small numbers were also issued to Army flight personnel. Alpha Industries' first government contract was awarded in 1958 (MIL-J-1958B).
MA-1 jackets first appeared in Europe in very small quantities in the mid-to-late 1950's probably on the black market and at sales of government surplus. In the early to mid-1960's more MA-1 jackets appeared in Europe as Alpha Industries began to export MA-1 jackets and other military clothing to European Air Forces and commercial customers.
MA-1 Is An All Season Jacket
The MA-1 was designed by the Air Force to serve as an Intermediate Weight Flight Jacket for use all year. This was accomplished by manufacturing the MA-1 from very high quality nylon fabrics and polyester interlinings. The light weight nylon design allowed the pilot in warm weather to wear the jacket open and be comfortable; upon entering the aircraft, the pilot could zip the MA-1 closed and be afforded ample protection against the cold conditions encountered in flight.


Design of the MA-1 Flight Jacket

The MA-1 has undergone various design modifications during its long history of use, but its classic, highly functional design has remained basically the same. The original design was contained in U.S. Government Military Specification "MIL-J-8279." Changes to the MA-1 jacket were periodically made by the Air Force. These occurred because of the introduction of new textiles, new sewing techniques or new aircraft cockpit design which required a change in the jacket design. The Military Specification was amended to reflect the changes, which was signaled by adding a letter to the Mil. Spec. For example, MA-1 specifications progressed from the original number Mil-J-8279, to J-8279A, J-8279B, J-8279C, etc. The most recent revision, J-8279F, was issued in the early 1980's.
The MA-1 as originally designed was made from a high quality nylon outer shell and a nylon lining. In between these nylon layers was a double-faced wool material for warmth. After a few years the wool interlining was replaced by the newly developed polyester fiberfill interlining. The polyester replaced the wool because it made the jacket much lighter and provided superior warmth.
The MA-1 introduced two major design changes from its predecessor, the B-15. First, the MA-1 discarded the mouton fur collar and substituted a knit collar. This was done because the fur collar interfered with the parachute harness worn by the aviators. Another important change that appeared in the mid 1960's (MIL-J8279D) was to make the jacket reversible and add the bright Indian Orange lining. If the airplane crash-landed and the pilot escaped, he could reverse the jacket to the orange side for a highly visible signal to rescue personnel.
Other changes have been made to the original MA-1 design over the years. For example, the early MA-1 models contained a front tab where the pilot could clip his oxygen mask when not in use. After several years, advances in airplane design and pilot helmet oxygen systems made the clip-on arrangement unnecessary, and the front tab was removed from the jacket.
Similarly, the first MA-1 models had sewn loops to hold the wired running from the radio to the pilot's helmet. When radio improvements made this unnecessary, the sewn loops were removed from the jacket.
The early MA-1 flight jackets used by the Air Force had the United Sates Air Force insignia printed on the sleeve. This was dropped in later MA-1 models in favor of sewn-on patches or insignia of the specific military units.
The MA-1 and its ancestor, the B-15, were produced in two colors: Sage Green and Midnight Blue. Blue was the original color used by the military but it was soon replaced by the sage green color. During the Korean War period, (1950-1953) mixing flight clothing from multiple time periods and colors was not unusual. Presumably, the green was eventually adopted because it blended more easily with the environment should the pilot need camouflage protection on the ground.


Technical Details of the MA-1

Each Alpha jacket is engineered for the highest quality. Consistency in construction in all Alpha MA-1 jackets ensures that every Alpha MA-1 jacket looks identical and meets strict standards.
The MA-1 requires 57 separate sewing operations. These operations are highly engineered and each has a distinct quality purpose. The utility pocket, originally called the "cigarette pocket" involves 8 sewing operations.
The embroidered Alpha logo label is stitched into the left pocket, along with the white "specification" label. The labels are sewn inside so that they will not show if the jacket is reversed.
When comparing the authentic Alpha MA-1 to other MA-1's, look for the following special details in our construction:


For extra strength - edge stitching on pocket flaps, bar tacks on interior and exterior pockets to prevent tearing, reinforced pocket snaps, double needle lap seams on sleeves, top stitching on jacket back and cuffs;

A neatly constructed utility pocket with a % inch taper and square corners in the bellows construction, with precisely positioned pencil point protectors;

The knit at the bottom of the jacket is attached to the shell of the jacket, (not sewn between the jacket lining and the shell, because that type of construction can result in a lumpy appearance), and the knit is stretched uniformly over the bottom width of the coat, stopping about 1.5 inches from the ends of the shell.
The quilt on the storm flap is constructed using a 3 inch quilt on the points, + or -1/4 inch.
The Alpha MA-1 that is sold to the commercial market has several deviations from the government specification. These changes have little or no effect on the appearance and performance of the jackets. They are done to make the jackets more salable to retailers and consumers. These deviations include:

Water repellent treated. This makes the garment more resistant to water and wind;

Knit collar, cuffs and waistband are an acrylic blend rather than 100% wool. It has been found that wool does not wear as well as acrylic and is subject to insect damage.
The interlining is a cut staple, non-quilted polyester batting rather than a quilted, continuous staple polyester batting.
The MA-1 flight jacket is perhaps the most popular clothing item ever designed for the United States military forces. Its official name is "Jacket, Flyers, Man's Intermediate Type MA-1" (MIL-J-8279). Alpha Industries (and its predecessor, Dobbs Industries), has continuously manufactured the MA-1 since the 1950's. Alpha is the largest and virtually only supplier of the MA-1 jacket for the United States military from the 1950's to date.
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et les patchs ? y parle pas des patchs....
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MessageSujet: Re: Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1   Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 EmptyJeu 24 Mai - 9:44

Allons allons du calme....

Pour les bombers je serai comme pour les série III, des access point trop n'en faut !
Mais ce n'est que mon humble avis .
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Et pour les anoraks ?
Ton humble avis en toute modestie évidemment ?
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Avec tous les kms que nous avons fait ensemble , tu m'as déjà vu porter un anorak ?

Toi aussi tu aimes les vêtements d'origine militaire, fais nous un post sur la Barbour international...
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Lord Bretta a écrit:
Avec tous les kms que nous avons fait ensemble , tu m'as déjà vu porter un anorak ?

Toi aussi tu aimes les vêtements d'origine militaire, fais nous un post sur la Barbour international...

Allons allons du calme....
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moi l'hiver je mets un anorak des fois....
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ou une parka.... Laughing
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des oripaux , c'est moche et naze , le bomber (pour etre moins élitiste et aller au rendez vous de la plèbe Wink ) est donc has been ?????












ouf ! je ne sais où est le mien , certainement dans un carton , au garage ....
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laughing boy a écrit:
des oripaux , c'est moche et naze , le bomber (pour etre moins élitiste et aller au rendez vous de la plèbe Wink ) est donc has been ?????

A mon avis non, mais il faut prendre un peu de recul tant envers nos chiffons que nos mobylettes, car au fond tout celà n'est pas très sérieux... Et c'est comme celà que ca devrait rester.

Bientôt un "oripeaux " special sur la parka ? study
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Je profite de ce post pour passer une petite annonce : je recherche un bomber kaki, enfin ce n'est pas vraiment kaki, un peu plus clair, dans le genre de celui que porte l'un de ces sympathiques Rochelais :

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Quelqu'un a une idée ?
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Lord Bretta a écrit:
Allez , un peu d'histoire sur le MA1, parce-que c'est pratique et que ça fait toujours rire

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MA-1 Nylon SPEC Jacket by ALPHA
0071

ALPHA INDUSRTIES Genuine Army, Navy and Air force, Govt. spec nylon flight jacket, satin reversible to bright orange, inside map pocket and pen slots on left sleeve zipper pocket, insulated with 100% polyester fill. History of the MA-1 Flight Jacket

The MA-1 jacket was first developed in the mid 1950's. The MA-1 and its predecessor, the B-15 Flight Jacket, were needed at that time because the emergence of the jet age created new requirements for pilot performance, safety and comfort.
Prior to the invention of jet aircraft, fleece-lined leather jackets were issued to flight personnel. However, the new jets could fly at much higher altitudes and in much colder temperatures than propeller aircraft. If the heavy, bulky leather jackets became wet from rain (when the pilot walked to his aircraft) or from perspiration, the water would freeze at high altitudes, making the jackets cold and uncomfortable.
Also, the new jets were more streamlined in design. Cockpits were cramped and filled with new equipment. Speedy, unimpeded access to and exit from cockpits became even more critical for safety. Rather than bulky leather, a sleek, lightweight yet warm jacket was needed for the new jet technology.
To meet these needs, a new type of flight jacket was developed. The material selected for the jacket was high quality nylon. Nylon had been discovered prior to World War II but it was not used in flight clothing until after the war, possibly because the demand for nylon for items such as parachutes consumed the available supply during the war.
The initial nylon flight jacket was designed in about 1946. It was called the B-15 flight jacket (MIL-J-6251). The B-15 was similar to the MA-1 except that it had a mouton fur collar. After a few years, it was discovered that the B-15 fur collar frequently interfered with placement of the pilot's parachute or other equipment and the Air Force decided to discontinue the B-15 and replace it with the new MA-1 flight jacket.
The first MA-1 jackets were issued around 1949 or 1950 to United States Air Force and Navy pilots and Flight crews. Small numbers were also issued to Army flight personnel. Alpha Industries' first government contract was awarded in 1958 (MIL-J-1958B).
MA-1 jackets first appeared in Europe in very small quantities in the mid-to-late 1950's probably on the black market and at sales of government surplus. In the early to mid-1960's more MA-1 jackets appeared in Europe as Alpha Industries began to export MA-1 jackets and other military clothing to European Air Forces and commercial customers.
MA-1 Is An All Season Jacket
The MA-1 was designed by the Air Force to serve as an Intermediate Weight Flight Jacket for use all year. This was accomplished by manufacturing the MA-1 from very high quality nylon fabrics and polyester interlinings. The light weight nylon design allowed the pilot in warm weather to wear the jacket open and be comfortable; upon entering the aircraft, the pilot could zip the MA-1 closed and be afforded ample protection against the cold conditions encountered in flight.


Design of the MA-1 Flight Jacket

The MA-1 has undergone various design modifications during its long history of use, but its classic, highly functional design has remained basically the same. The original design was contained in U.S. Government Military Specification "MIL-J-8279." Changes to the MA-1 jacket were periodically made by the Air Force. These occurred because of the introduction of new textiles, new sewing techniques or new aircraft cockpit design which required a change in the jacket design. The Military Specification was amended to reflect the changes, which was signaled by adding a letter to the Mil. Spec. For example, MA-1 specifications progressed from the original number Mil-J-8279, to J-8279A, J-8279B, J-8279C, etc. The most recent revision, J-8279F, was issued in the early 1980's.
The MA-1 as originally designed was made from a high quality nylon outer shell and a nylon lining. In between these nylon layers was a double-faced wool material for warmth. After a few years the wool interlining was replaced by the newly developed polyester fiberfill interlining. The polyester replaced the wool because it made the jacket much lighter and provided superior warmth.
The MA-1 introduced two major design changes from its predecessor, the B-15. First, the MA-1 discarded the mouton fur collar and substituted a knit collar. This was done because the fur collar interfered with the parachute harness worn by the aviators. Another important change that appeared in the mid 1960's (MIL-J8279D) was to make the jacket reversible and add the bright Indian Orange lining. If the airplane crash-landed and the pilot escaped, he could reverse the jacket to the orange side for a highly visible signal to rescue personnel.
Other changes have been made to the original MA-1 design over the years. For example, the early MA-1 models contained a front tab where the pilot could clip his oxygen mask when not in use. After several years, advances in airplane design and pilot helmet oxygen systems made the clip-on arrangement unnecessary, and the front tab was removed from the jacket.
Similarly, the first MA-1 models had sewn loops to hold the wired running from the radio to the pilot's helmet. When radio improvements made this unnecessary, the sewn loops were removed from the jacket.
The early MA-1 flight jackets used by the Air Force had the United Sates Air Force insignia printed on the sleeve. This was dropped in later MA-1 models in favor of sewn-on patches or insignia of the specific military units.
The MA-1 and its ancestor, the B-15, were produced in two colors: Sage Green and Midnight Blue. Blue was the original color used by the military but it was soon replaced by the sage green color. During the Korean War period, (1950-1953) mixing flight clothing from multiple time periods and colors was not unusual. Presumably, the green was eventually adopted because it blended more easily with the environment should the pilot need camouflage protection on the ground.


Technical Details of the MA-1

Each Alpha jacket is engineered for the highest quality. Consistency in construction in all Alpha MA-1 jackets ensures that every Alpha MA-1 jacket looks identical and meets strict standards.
The MA-1 requires 57 separate sewing operations. These operations are highly engineered and each has a distinct quality purpose. The utility pocket, originally called the "cigarette pocket" involves 8 sewing operations.
The embroidered Alpha logo label is stitched into the left pocket, along with the white "specification" label. The labels are sewn inside so that they will not show if the jacket is reversed.
When comparing the authentic Alpha MA-1 to other MA-1's, look for the following special details in our construction:


For extra strength - edge stitching on pocket flaps, bar tacks on interior and exterior pockets to prevent tearing, reinforced pocket snaps, double needle lap seams on sleeves, top stitching on jacket back and cuffs;

A neatly constructed utility pocket with a % inch taper and square corners in the bellows construction, with precisely positioned pencil point protectors;

The knit at the bottom of the jacket is attached to the shell of the jacket, (not sewn between the jacket lining and the shell, because that type of construction can result in a lumpy appearance), and the knit is stretched uniformly over the bottom width of the coat, stopping about 1.5 inches from the ends of the shell.
The quilt on the storm flap is constructed using a 3 inch quilt on the points, + or -1/4 inch.
The Alpha MA-1 that is sold to the commercial market has several deviations from the government specification. These changes have little or no effect on the appearance and performance of the jackets. They are done to make the jackets more salable to retailers and consumers. These deviations include:

Water repellent treated. This makes the garment more resistant to water and wind;

Knit collar, cuffs and waistband are an acrylic blend rather than 100% wool. It has been found that wool does not wear as well as acrylic and is subject to insect damage.
The interlining is a cut staple, non-quilted polyester batting rather than a quilted, continuous staple polyester batting.
The MA-1 flight jacket is perhaps the most popular clothing item ever designed for the United States military forces. Its official name is "Jacket, Flyers, Man's Intermediate Type MA-1" (MIL-J-8279). Alpha Industries (and its predecessor, Dobbs Industries), has continuously manufactured the MA-1 since the 1950's. Alpha is the largest and virtually only supplier of the MA-1 jacket for the United States military from the 1950's to date.

Une p'tite question,pourquoi ca fait rire?
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Parce que y'a toujours des ronchons qui démarrent en général au quart de tour quand on dit "bomber" Wink
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stypevince a écrit:
Allons allons du calme....
Vince: une idée par jour semaine cheers

A propos de l’article sur le MA1, il y a quelques ajouts ou corrections à apporter :

L’origine du design d’après la plupart des auteurs vient certainement du blouson des tankistes américains du second conflit mondial

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Le besoin d’un nouveau blouson à cause de l’exiguité des cockpits de jet est assez assez contestable. Laughing boy ne me contredira pas ; qui a déjà vu un habitacle de Spitfire ou d’un quelconque chasseur à hélice des années 40 peut témoigner qu’on y rentre déjà au chausse-pied.

Mais le bomber en scoot me direz-vous ?

- Le bomber apporte réellement une bonne isolation thermique. Par temps froid , jusqu’à 5° avec le pull et la veste en jean qui vont bien il permet de rouler à l’aise.
Par temps chaud à très chaud, il a un rôle isotherme et permet de rester à une température stable et agréable.
- Et la pluie dans tout ça ? Et bien, il protège d’une vraie pluie environ 3 à 4 minutes, après c’est le drame.Avec les copies d’Alpha c’est souvent pire.
- Protection à la gamelle : aucune coque donc pas de protection à l’impact ( à moins de posséder un modèle pilote hélico vietnam avec les blindages aux avant-bras, mais là autant le revendre à un collectionneur). Je ne l’ai pas testé moi-même (ma seule vautre en bomber j’étais passé par-dessus le guidon d’un deux roues à moteur même pas caréné…) mais en glissade le bomber a la réputation ( ?!?) de s’effilocher en faisant des plis par couches successives, apportant une certaine protection avant que le tarmac attaque la veste en Jean. Des témoignages de membres du forum pour étayer ou infirmer cette répute ???Car pour être vraiment protégé (autant que faire ce peut…) de l’abrasion il faut toujours porter une veste en jean en dessous.

- De plus porter un bomber sans veste, à même un polo ou un T-shirt est assez désagréable , puisque ce blouson est entièrement synthétique ..
Le MA1est assez peu respirant, mais tant qu’on ne fait pas d’effort violent on ne sue pas vraiment dedans, puisque plein d’air il est isotherme comme nous l’avons dit précédemment.
Bien sûr le couvrir de patch cousus écrase la doublure et vire l’air , réduisant d’autant les capacités isothermes.
Que porter pour rouler alors ?
Les meilleurs marques sont Alpha et Concorde , mais pour rouler une honnête copie suffit, ainsi pas de soucis pour s'en servir comme tapis de sol pour démonter un carbu au bord de la route, ou comme support pour remonter une ch à air neuve sans coller de gravier dans le pneu etc…

Avant de l’acheter vérifier l’épaisseur des tissus extérieurs et intérieurs, que le col une fois la glissière fermée serre suffisamment (défaut de beaucoup de copie), que la tricotine aux manches et à la ceinture sont de bonne qualité et ne vont pas se détendre en deux semaines

Entretien : un coup d’éponge pour virer les moustiques de temps en temps et nettoyage à sec , même pour une vulgaire copie, sinon la garniture se détériore et s’effondre vers le bas du blouson donnant ce look poire bien connu des vieux bombers et ruinant ses qualités thermiques

Pour conclure : ça ne vaudra jamais un blouson en cuir avec des protections , mais cela demeure un outil pratique, taillable et corvéable à merci.
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disons que sur un chasseur européen d'accord , mais les ricains c'était comme les voitures , la taille au dessus Wink
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laughing boy a écrit:
disons que sur un chasseur européen d'accord , mais les ricains c'était comme les voitures , la taille au dessus Wink

Mais en même temps , leur pilotes étaient plus gros aussi Wink Very Happy
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Date d'inscription : 11/08/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
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Lord Bretta a écrit:
stypevince a écrit:
Allons allons du calme....
Vince: une idée par jour semaine cheers


par siècle....

et rien que pour te faire plaisir :

Allons allons du calme....
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Date d'inscription : 11/05/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
MessageSujet: Re: Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1   Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 EmptyLun 28 Mai - 1:37

... mais quel exposé... c'est de l'amour ou je ne m'y connais pas...

Citation :
mais en glissade le bomber a la réputation ( ?!?) de s’effilocher en faisant des plis par couches successives
... sinon j'ai testé la "zipette" en bomber... c'est plutot efficace...
j'ai eu la chance de tout prendre dans la poche du bras (celle ave'
les balles fight ) verdict fermeture arrachée et le reste n'a pas bougé...
c'est du costaud !

je vais aller fouiller dans ma cave... voir si ça résiste aussi bien
à la moisissure sifflet (il n'empêche avec une Levi's blanche
dessous... je trouvais ça bien Class' !)
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Date d'inscription : 18/05/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
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(il n'empêche avec une Levi's blanche
dessous... je trouvais ça bien Class' !)

Idéal pour la course à pied ! Laughing Laughing
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keb

keb


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Date d'inscription : 28/08/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
MessageSujet: Re: Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1   Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 EmptyLun 28 Mai - 4:05

V!NNY a écrit:
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(il n'empêche avec une Levi's blanche
dessous... je trouvais ça bien Class' !)

Idéal pour la course à pied ! Laughing Laughing

Alons alons Mr Vinny, n'allons pas remuer quelques souvenirs malheureux de la jeunesse de notre cher admin...
Tu trouves pas qu'il a pris un peu de poid quand même?
je pense qu'un peu de course à pied lui ferais le plus grand bien... sifflet
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Ordinary boy

Ordinary boy


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Localisation : South to Perpignon
Date d'inscription : 20/10/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
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keb a écrit:
V!NNY a écrit:
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(il n'empêche avec une Levi's blanche
dessous... je trouvais ça bien Class' !)

Idéal pour la course à pied ! Laughing Laughing

Alons alons Mr Vinny, n'allons pas remuer quelques souvenirs malheureux de la jeunesse de notre cher admin...
Tu trouves pas qu'il a pris un peu de poid quand même?
je pense qu'un peu de course à pied lui ferais le plus grand bien... sifflet

Hmm hmm, ça sent la poursuite infernale, avec les gentils tout de blanc vêtus devant, et quelques gros tondus tatoués derrière !!!... Laughing
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Lord Brett

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Date d'inscription : 13/07/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
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"Le soir dans le métro sur les tapis roulants,
on cavale après toi et tu gueules en courant....

Jaurès, Stalingrad !"
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VULCAN SCOOTER SECTE

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Age : 53
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Date d'inscription : 15/11/2006

Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 Empty
MessageSujet: Re: Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1   Connaissons nos oripeaux : le MA1 EmptyLun 28 Mai - 15:12

allez pour la touche Elegant ... SMcQ dans "Le Chasseur" en portait un ... un peu adepte le monsieur ... dans d'autres films aussi ça lui collait bien au profil ...
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